Norman Palmer Poyntz Chamarette

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• Occupation: 1921, England; He says in his letter to Pamela Falcus that he left India aged 17 for England to complete his medical education and never had the opportunity to return.

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Norman remembers that when he was a child - maybe 5 or 6 - his half sister Beryl was like a second mother to him. She made sure he got to school ( on his pony) and supervised his Ayah 'to do all the things children are in need of; such as, how to tie shoe(boot) laces. I wore Eton collars to school and Sunday school. I presume you know what these broad high collars are like and we as children disliked them, often hid them on the very top shelf of the wardrobe.'
He says we (eight of them ) never thought of Beryl as a HALF sister.
'We were a very loving quarrel-free family, with every comfort imaginable, in that day of the 'British Raj' alas now gone for ever. Our garden grew mangoes, pomegranites, custard apples, mulberries, citrus fruits, almond tree, berries of exotic kind and guavas. Needless to say I climbed treea and ate the fruit in the branches! We had pets; dogs, cats, ponies, donkeys, doves, pigeons and more! Even had a rail-track at the back used when 'The Nest' (our home) was in building. My Mum (nee Mary Louise Fallon)was always known as 'Birdie" hence 'The Nest"! We had various carriages and large horses. (No cars) - No telephone - No electric (or gas) lights.'
He goes on to say that despite these lacks it was 'as Shangri La'.

Norman married Mary Caroline P Hopkins before 1936. Mary was born on 2 Oct 1909; died on 13 Nov 1987 in Garstang, Lancashire, England. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Occupation: Household Surgeon, Afzul Gunj Hospital.; In Medical charge of HH the Nizam's 4th Infantry.

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On the web site for Osmania Medical College in Hyderabad, there is a bit of history. When it was Hyderabad Medical School, teaching in Urdu, in 1888 a Chloroform Commission was set up (with the Nizam's blessing) to study the effect of Chloroform on dogs.They did pioneer work, and one of the commission members was Mr A Chamarette. The leader of the commission was Dr Laurie.The Medical School was set up in 1846 by the Nizam, deliberately using Urdu to encourage native doctors, from the sound of it.
Since Arthur was Assistant Surgeon HH Nizam's service in 1887 when he married, this is almost certain to be him. He would have been 27 years old, so quite junior.
Arthur Mitchell (other researcher) confirms this.

I haven't been able to find his baptism - the date of birth is that given on the St Georges Church web site, and confirmed by his marriage certificate - he was 27 in 1887. Chadarghat is now Chadherghat (according to St Georges Church) and is in the cityof Hyderabad.

Norman Chamarette says he had a wonderful military funeral at Hyderabad.

Arthur married Mary Caroline Louise Fallon on 17 Jan 1894 in Bangalore, India. Mary (daughter of Colonel William Fallon and Louise Palmer) was born after 1860. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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In LDS the only possible Mary (Catherine) Fallon was born in 1880 (6 years older than Beryl, 19 years younger than Arthur, old enough to marry in 1896) in Tamil Nadu. The only other one would have been older than Arthur.

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Guesses for the people in the Family Photograph:
Arthur standing, and Mary Fallon (Birdie) sitting on the right.
The oldest girl on the left my grandmother Beryl, and the other girl her sister Winifred (Flossie). Both from Arthur's previous marriage.
The oldest boy boy at the back Arthur, and the other boy John. Then the babe in arms would be the second Winifred (Winnie).

John married Winifred Amelia Thompson on 12 Aug 1856 in Government Cuthchery, Lingsoogour, Raichur Doab, India. Winifred (daughter of William Arthur Milton Thompson and Julia Anne Crampton) was born on 3 Mar 1841 in Aurungabad, India; was christened on 11 May 1841 in Aurungabad, India; died on 22 Jun 1891 in Chaderghat, Hyderabad, India; was buried on 22 Jun 1891 in Chaderghat, Hyderabad, India. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Norman Chamarette says he was a Colonel, seconded from the Irish Guards to the Sepoy Army of the Nizam of Hyderabad.

William married Louise Palmer. Louise (daughter of General William Palmer) was born before 1845. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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• Occupation: Surveyor - Survey of India

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Update to this - there is a previous Chamarette! See below in Sources - List Of Inscriptions On Tombs Or Monuments. J.D. is likely to have been his father, and was Roman Catholic which would tie up with the rumoured French origin. He was born about 1758, so 35 years old when Andrew was born.
Andrew was previously the earliest Chamarette found. No Chamarette (or Chamarett or Chamaret) has been found in England prior to that - or in fact at all until they started to return from India in the Twentieth Century. The Chamaret surname does exist in France.

Andrew married Catherine Johannes on 3 Oct 1820 in French Gardens, Secunderabad, Hyderabad, India. Catherine (daughter of Armenian Johaness) was born about 1793; died on 25 Apr 1851 in Secunderabad, Hyderabad, India; was buried on 26 Apr 1851 in Secunderabad, Hyderabad, India. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Father was an Armenian soldier of fortune in the service of the Paigah of Vicar-ul-Umrah.
The Paigahs were the only noble family of Hyderabad to be permitted by the Sultans to maintain a private army.
A possible name for Catherine is Katarineh Hovhanessian.

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• Occupation: Lieutenant and Qtr Master of the Nizam's Artillary (Hyderabad Contingent)

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Served in the Nizam's Army for many years. During the Sepoy Mutiny in 1857 was with Sir Hugh Rose's Column and was present at the seige and actions at Jhansi, Kalpi, Betwa, Ratghur etc. Received a gunshot wound. granted a medal and a commission for his gallantry and ability as a soldier and artillerist.

Educated at Addiscombe, Harrow and Eton with his half brother Sir Richmond Shakespear.

His uncle was Major Poyntz of the British Service.

William married Julia Anne Crampton on 27 Jun 1838 in Vepery, Madras, India. Julia (daughter of Joshua Crampton and Anne Davidson) was born on 10 Aug 1817 in Madras, India; was christened on 23 Aug 1817 in St Mary's Church, Madras, India. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Lancaster says that W A Thompson was half brother to Sir Richmond Campbell Shakespear (cf). It is difficult to see how this could be, since Sir Richmond's mother Emily started producing children by John Talbot Shakespear in 1806, and died in 1824, a year before her husband. However, Sir Richmond married a Thompson, so possibly W A was his brother-in-law, and family legend had twisted it slightly before it got to Lancaster.

Lancaster (Milton Poyntz) also says that W A Thompson's uncle was Major Poyntz, so this would be the origin of that as a middle name. Norman Poyntz Palmer Chamarette has also mentioned a connection to a Major Poyntz. Note also that it makes it likely that W A Thompson's wife was a Poyntz - Major Poyntz being her brother.

This information is from Lancaster Chamarette's 'Brief History'. He also said that William Thompson and his half brother Sir Richmond Shakespear were at school and university together. Also Chris Van de Byl's family tree says Winefred Amelia's father was half brother to William Shakespeare! Also Arthur Mitchell says that the mother of Winifred Amelia 'Was a widow - first marriage to Sir Richard Shakespear'.

However, since Sir Richmond's mother Emily was married to John Shakespear from at least 1806 until she died, and the schools given for each of them are different, that doesn't seem to work.